Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. Also, it was never stated that base Vegetto is stronger than SS3 Goku, so there's that. My answer is, yes, yes it would. if even angels only estimate it as vaguely as tens of thousands, maybe its time to understand that literally any powerup and every character and every move and every form adds a very variable ammount of power. Just as I was going to bring up Hermes' tweet of Dance = Earrings into this discussion. We can only assume that the fusions will be between SSj3-God Ki level. and the kaio kens multiplier kinda loses its meaning when anything it multiplies has gotten super variable. Potara Fusion. Silver Potara - Fusion lasts 2 days, the stronger fusee's personality takes complete control. so we don't know exactly the power, but base on the comments of Vados that full power SSB Goku would have stomped SSJ1 Kefla, and that SSG wasn't close to full power output. Here's where Vegetto comes in. So what if Goku and Vegeta were transformed, what if Goku was an SSJ3 and Vegeta an SSJ2, the height of their respective powers. It's a pretty hard low ball. If we use your formula then Vegito would only 44 times stronger then base Goku which is weaker then SS1; which is obviously wrong. Substitute in the equation, and we get: (F1+F2)*22 at bare minimum for Potara's multiplier. Assuming Buu's absorption is the sum of its parts, Buuhan is Super Buu + Gohan + Picolo, Trunks and Goten, equating to: Buuhan ≥ ~2.75 Super Buu ≥ 1100 radishes. could we argue that the potara are different for every universe? Let's denote their base forms' power level as Goku=Vegeta=1 radish. The best leader for Potara. His passive will decrease damage received by 80% and then will counter with a 300% multiplier. Vegeta And Goku in DBZ Buu Arc were not evenly matched. Dbs Potara Fusion Multiplier Revealed Dragon Ball Super Ep. That's a special case, I would think. I don't think this makes sense. Is their power lower than full power? While the concept was originally used for Piccolo's merger with Nail (and later Kami-sama), the term "Fusion" (in English, no less!) Potara Fusion (ポタラの合体, Potara Fusion) is a powerful Fusion technique using the Potara earrings. But what if they are just being normal? I thought it was the higher fusee base multiplied by the second fusee. As of right now, we have: (Fusee 1 + Fusee 2)*tens of times. So logically it's the max power of both participants that's being added. all we know is that higher form or more kaioken means they're stronger than a second ago. Potara Fusion is a way to fuse using the Supreme Kais Potara earrings. Look at your formula you could argue it's weaker then ss3 which it's clearly not. Let's talk about dbz buu saga where the potara fusion and the dance fusion occurred. It is more powerful than 400 times multiplier like Super Saiyan. Light Purple Potara - Weaker fusee's personality is dominant, otherwise identical to silver potara. Honestly, Base Power is something that has always been difficult to keep track of in the series, because we only know when they lower it to hide themselves. If we go back to Vados' statement she states the power born is more than the sum of it's parts of so it's f1+ f2 > 2*f1 plus isn't the right function to use there, it's just for ease of understanding. The old grandpa Kai was the first Kaioshin to introduce the Potara fusion in dragon ball. and even then, anything other than the kaio kens multiplier has openly been dismissed by the author ever since frieza was defeated. Potara Multiplier is nonsense Ryuu_Akamatsu 2 years ago #1 Let's talk about how nonsense Potara (and fusion dance) in general is. Fusion has always been one of the most recognizable and important techniques in all of Dragon Ball. Vegeta Stated that "Kakarot" Surpassed him greatly so he used Babidi's magic to become on Par to "Kakarot" but since Vegeta died the spell wore off so we can assume that this multiplier is a little wrong. So she was using the flight or fight response to draw out the infinite potential of Caulifla. This is not because it’s stated in Daizenshu 4, just look at what its capable of. Information on those do count as well for the answer I am seeking as it is mainly about the power multiplier and not the 2 minds controlling 1 body thing. I am making this to prove what I think the multipliers could be, and to prove why I HATE scaling with numbers. Blue Potara- Fusion lasts 25 minutes, same power multiplier as green potara. What's more, the fusion draws from both Kale's potentially limitless power and Caulifla's ability to bring out to her very limit (but would probably still be no match for Vegetto Blue, if my calculation still stands.). I came up with a Fusion theory multiplier and why the Base Form is always stronger than the separate fighters Final Form (Like Goku’s SSJ3). So, back in the Buu Saga, Goku and Vegeta are evenly matched as SS2, so their base form must be equal as well. But for the sake of this discussion, lets assume that during their fight with Buu, they were at full power. And since KI= Power = Powering up Kefla technically has "infinite" strength which makes her strong (just her body prob can only handle so much). Elder Kaioshin + old witch: Extremely different in race, build, and power. Heck, a Vegetto made out of SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta, during Battle of Gods, may well have been a challenge for Beerus. What is The Potara Fusion Multiplier. I do believe that, in that regard, Potara is similar to Fusion Dance, as Goten and Trunks were urged to transform and then fuse, to get the most of the Fusion. So the Fusion takes those numbers, adds them and multiplies them to come with the Fusion's Power, as I do not believe that the Potara Fusion uses the max potential of the user, but like the Fusion Dance, uses their current level of power. The two individuals’ powers increased together or their powers just add together. Much weaker than SSJ Goten or SSJ Trunks. Majin Buu was capable of fighting on par with SS3 Goku, and in the manga, Goku himself stated that Buu's power level "was a lie", meaning that he could've been even stronger, thus Majin Buu ≥ 400 radishes. Agreed, Power Scaling is something of a mess in DBZ, it's even worse with Super, but regardless. Vegito in DBZ was inbetween SSJ3-SSG it's the only way to measure it. Dragon ball potara fusion. So transformation affecting the strenght of the fusion is utter nonsense. I could be 100% wrong with these, but who cares. No Hate tho:). SSG Goku most likely wasn't fighting at maximum capacity, so matching Kefla against him is made all the more difficult. Honestly, going by what we know of Goku's strength and Vegeta's strength in their transformed states, Vegetto would never have needed to go Super Saiyan. when a "potara", "fusion" category ally is in the same attack turn (once only but a 1% chance to happen twice) ... ↑ 12 Ki Multiplier would now be 250% and 24 Ki Multiplier would now be 300%. "On p.63 it describes the Potara fusion as being closer to multiplication rather than simple addition in the way it increases power. How Strong is the Kefla Potara Fusion? We've no evidence to say whether or not the power boost left him. Either that, or power level are bullshit and I've gone insane from trying to logic out Dragon Ball of all thing. Now Vegeta are around the same level of strength, which you pointed out and it makes perfect sense so we could say that f1 + f2 = 2f1 = 2f2. Not to mention that any attempt to "calculate" this sort of thing will rely on a lot of fan opinion and conjecture in the first place, making it a little extra moot. I'll make the assumption that at this point, he is over 2 times Buus strength, and we get the following: SS Vegetto ≥ 2x Buuhan ≥ 5.5 Super Buu ≥ 2200 radishes or: Base Vegetto ≥ 44 radishes. Dang it. At the end Kefla was using Caulifla's red ki to power up. Kaboom wrote:I've mentioned this elsewhere, but I heard someone from Kanzenshuu propose a very interesting theory about Potara: Even if you don't need to be similar in size, race, power, etc in order to fuse like with the Fusion Dance, it still produces a more effective and powerful Fusion if you ARE similar. Likely given how much stronger base Kefla was its actually way above that. Vegetto would remain fused in the events of Dragon Ball Multiverse. Ultimate and Invincible Fusion Vegito - Insane all-round unit capable of hitting hard and tank while never struggling for Ki at the same time - Very high 12-Ki multiplier - Transformation condition is very easy to achieve without requiring any specific categories or character - Great linkset - … The dragon ball universe knows many fusion types from which some are considered an absorbtion such as Buu and Cell consuming some to become stronger. But what if Goku had not listened? It's "(A + B) x Plot." Let's assume vegeta, gohan and goku's base form at approximately the same power level that being “x” Ssj 3 goku = 400x Essential: He is here to tank and counter. This character combines excellent offensive and defensive capabilities, along with a very useful 'full heal' when Potara fusion is triggered. There is no canonical evidence to … Kefla is only strong because she has a GREATER version of Kales LSSJ passive ability(huge energy) Kale gets a huge pool of KI(1 planet size pool of energy) Kefla gets 12 planet size pool of energy. Supposedly, Vegetto's battle power is equivalent to Goku's battle power multiplied by Vegeta's. To perform it, two nearby individuals must be wearing a single earring, but on opposite ears. Vegetto of Universe 16 was born from desperation of defeating Buu. Unlike other fusions, the fusion cannot be undone. As I said, this is only an estimation for the smallest possible multiplier for the Potara, calculating its exact value is an entirely different beast. How much stronger would Vegetto have been at that point? It's not Base+Base. The Elder Kai said in the Buu Arc that the difference between transforming before Potara Fusion and after is that you can't go below that transformation while fused and that can lower your lifespan. 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